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  • luciash d' being 🧙 10 Apr 09 20:24 GMT-0000

    We're not Joomla... :-)
    I wonder why you insist on calling them "templates" ? (See this wiki page history.) We have "Themes" in Tiki (XHTML layout + CSS). Templates we call only the Smarty tpl files or "Content templates" to be used in wiki pages.

    • matwho 11 Apr 09 13:40 GMT-0000

      I never started a comparison with other software! I hope we don't do that and this discussion is meant to get us away from comparing designs. It is hoped to goo to the fundamentals of the issue and allow us to build our own way (which will be much better than any thing else out there!)

      I called them Templates by mistake, if that prevents you from taking part in the discussion I am sorry. If you see any places I have not replaced templates with themes please do it for me :-)

      > We're not Joomla... :-)
      > I wonder why you insist on calling them "templates" ? (See this wiki page history.) We have "Themes" in Tiki (XHTML layout + CSS). Templates we call only the Smarty tpl files or "Content templates" to be used in wiki pages.

    • luciash d' being 🧙 13 Apr 09 21:58 GMT-0000

      > I called them Templates by mistake, if that prevents you from taking part in the discussion I am sorry. If you see any places I have not replaced templates with themes please do it for me :-)

      ok, it's no problem for me, i'll do it again :-)

  • Gary Cunningham-Lee 11 Apr 09 09:25 GMT-0000

    I'm not sure about the logic flow here, exactly. Yes, Joomla has more, spiffier themes than Tiki, but Joomla, without outside intrevention, is also locked into a grid (see a default Joomla installation with its standard MilkyWay theme, for example), so I don't believe the default grid is the reason for Tiki being uglier than Joomla. Out of the box, Tiki, especially in recent releases, has quite a bit more layout flexibility than Joomla does.

    I think the reason for the relative ugliness is use cases. Joomla is used a lot for presentation, Tiki for collaboration. Joomla sites want to leverage eye candy to increase their appeal, to grow their audience; Tiki sites, often with an audience already in place (organization membership, etc.) have generally just needed adequate looks that don't get in the way of functionality. Of course this has created a chicken-egg cycle and designer types aren't attracted to Tiki the way Joomla's presentation market spawns thememakers/sellers.

    About Tiki's grid, the proportions can be changed easily, of course, but have been what they are primarily due to the nature of the module contents, such as lists of activity and menus. These things can be proportioned differently and it just takes tweaking the column widths, font sizes, padding, etc., so the referenced golden section layout is easy to achieve in Tiki now.

    Implementing the "natural grid" with center content apparently interrupting the flow of the left column and so on will be a neat trick that I look forward to seeing. Good discussion started; thanks.

  • Arnaud HERVE 11 Sep 09 20:54 GMT-0000

    I am longing for a site where menus are not in columns, but in divs inside the page.

    That would help me when menu is shorter than page : at the bottom wikitext takes back the whole width. Divs would also help when menu is too long, for instance by making two divs on the same side, or whole width divs up or below.

    However, in the past I tried to make a WOW style. I gave up because it took me too long to perfect it through the crowd of small css items. I was even tired of scrolling down and up the css file.

Keywords

The following is a list of keywords that should serve as hubs for navigation within the Tiki development and should correspond to documentation keywords.

Each feature in Tiki has a wiki page which regroups all the bugs, requests for enhancements, etc. It is somewhat a form of wiki-based project management. You can also express your interest in a feature by adding it to your profile. You can also try out the Dynamic filter.

Accessibility (WAI & 508)
Accounting
Administration
Ajax
Articles & Submissions
Backlinks
Banner
Batch
BigBlueButton audio/video/chat/screensharing
Blog
Bookmark
Browser Compatibility
Calendar
Category
Chat
Comment
Communication Center
Consistency
Contacts Address book
Contact us
Content template
Contribution
Cookie
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Credits
Custom Home (and Group Home Page)
Database MySQL - MyISAM
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Date and Time
Debugger Console
Diagram
Directory (of hyperlinks)
Documentation link from Tiki to doc.tiki.org (Help System)
Docs
DogFood
Draw -superseded by Diagram
Dynamic Content
Preferences
Dynamic Variable
External Authentication
FAQ
Featured links
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Gantt
Group
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History
Hotword
HTML Page
i18n (Multilingual, l10n, Babelfish)
Image Gallery
Import-Export
Install
Integrator
Interoperability
Inter-User Messages
InterTiki
jQuery
Kaltura video management
Karma
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Logs (system & action)
Lost edit protection
Mail-in
Map
Menu
Meta Tag
Missing features
Visual Mapping
Mobile
Mods
Modules
MultiTiki
MyTiki
Newsletter
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OS independence (Non-Linux, Windows/IIS, Mac, BSD)
Organic Groups (Self-managed Teams)
Packages
Payment
PDF
Performance Speed / Load / Compression / Cache
Permission
Poll
Profiles
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Revision Approval
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Score
Search engine optimization (SEO)
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Smarty Template
Social Networking
Spam protection (Anti-bot CATPCHA)
Spellcheck
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Staging and Approval
Stats
Survey
Syntax Highlighter (Codemirror)
Tablesorter
Tags
Task
Tell a Friend
Terms and Conditions
Theme
TikiTests
Timesheet
Token Access
Toolbar (Quicktags)
Tours
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TRIM
User Administration
User Files
User Menu
Watch
Webmail and Groupmail
WebServices
Wiki History, page rename, etc
Wiki plugins extends basic syntax
Wiki syntax text area, parser, etc
Wiki structure (book and table of content)
Workspace and perspectives
WYSIWTSN
WYSIWYCA
WYSIWYG
XMLRPC
XMPP




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