(6:51:03 PM) The topic for #sumo is: irc channel for development of http://support.mozilla.com/ || see also mozilla.support.planning (newsgroup) || Next meeting: 2pm PST Dec. 4; http://wiki.mozilla.org/Support/Weekly_Meetings || If you'd like to help test the live chat software PM Lucy (7:19:06 AM) MarcoZ: Hi there! (7:19:29 AM) Tomcat: hi MarcoZ :) (7:19:53 AM) MarcoZ: Hi Tomcat! (7:20:23 AM) MarcoZ: Can anybody tell the new kid on the blog how to create an article on Sumo? I would like to get an article into the knowledgebase about what's new in the area of a11y in Firefox 3. (7:20:36 AM) MarcoZ: But I can't find a way (at least none that is obvious to me) how to start an article. (7:20:55 AM) Tomcat: Lucy: ^ (7:21:20 AM) Tomcat: in case you are awake :) (7:57:08 AM) marclaporte: MarcoZH: I don't know what the editorial rules are, but just edit a page and change the name in the URL (8:07:42 AM) MarcoZ: marclaporte, thanks, will give this a try. If I simply do something like support.mozilla.com/kb/MyNewTitle , I get a 404, and an option to create a new page, but with the hint in parentheses that "this page will be orphaned", but without any further explanation to what this implies. (8:08:18 AM) MarcoZ: djst, hi! This is Marco, the a11y guy :-) (8:09:44 AM) djst: MarcoZ: hey thre! (8:10:00 AM) djst: MarcoZ: great to see you around (8:11:02 AM) djst: MarcoZ: i missed your previous conversation with marclaporte, in case there's anything you're wondering about (8:11:13 AM) djst: MarcoZ: is the sumo site usable at all as it is? (8:12:22 AM) MarcoZ: djst, yes it is usable and has good markup. That's not a problem. I just can't figure out how to start a new article. I shot you an e-mail about it earlier, but if you know the answer from the top of your head, we can discuss it here. (8:13:00 AM) djst: ah yeah, let me see if there's a fix for that. there was a quick edit form in the contributor home page before but i think it was removed (8:13:02 AM) djst: let me check (8:14:08 AM) djst: MarcoZ: http://support.mozilla.com/kb/Creating+articles (8:14:27 AM) djst: that page is linked to from the contributor home page (which should be the page you see when you log in, but currently it's not) (8:14:43 AM) djst: MarcoZ: this is not optimal, we should make this easier to see (8:19:38 AM) MarcoZ: djst, thanks this is the starting point I needed. (8:20:05 AM) djst: MarcoZ: ok. i'm here most of my work days so just ping me if you need any other info. (8:21:24 AM) marclaporte: :-) (8:22:04 AM) marclaporte: MarcoZ: are you using JAWS or something similar? (8:31:45 AM) MarcoZ: marclaporte, yes, on Windows I'm using JAWS, on Linux I'm using Orca. (8:33:40 AM) marclaporte: MarcoZ: I have a few questions about a11y and wikis if you don't mind (8:34:53 AM) marclaporte: 1st off: an intro so you get an idea where I am coming from. My name is Marc Laporte and I am a project admin for TikiWiki CMS/Groupware (8:35:25 AM) marclaporte: I took a course on a11y, but I never really had much real world experience (8:36:12 AM) marclaporte: I would like TikiWiki to become more & more accessible, hopefully, eventually, fully accessible out of the box (8:36:49 AM) marclaporte: I have a theory that wiki syntax maybe a positive thing for a11y, but I don't know really (8:37:30 AM) marclaporte: (compared to standard html CMSs or the ones that use WYSIWYG/rich text editors) (8:38:32 AM) marclaporte: We currently have no one helping/promoting/testing/etc a11y and I hope this could change. (8:38:49 AM) marclaporte: so.... (8:39:08 AM) MarcoZ: marclaporte, thanks for your introduction! I started as the accessibility QA at Mozilla last week. (8:39:28 AM) marclaporte: sweet (8:41:07 AM) marclaporte: So what is global a11y status in FF as of now? (8:41:24 AM) MarcoZ: marclaporte, so far what I've seen looks pretty good with JAWS on Sumo. The only real problem I ran into was actually signing up. The captcha system is not accessible at all. There is an accessible chaptcha system called ReCaptcha (http://www.recaptcha.net) that is accessible. That's the one improvement I definitely know Tiki could use. Unless of course, the captcha isn't standard, . (8:42:01 AM) marclaporte: MarcoZ: I appreciate the feedback (8:42:04 AM) MarcoZ: well, global a11y status in FF 3 will be a lot better than in 2, primarily because FF3 is also going to be accessible on Linux, not just Windows. (8:42:18 AM) marclaporte: I see (8:42:38 AM) marclaporte: Is wiki syntax better or worse for a11y? (8:42:47 AM) marclaporte: (in general, not specifically TikiWiki) (8:43:01 AM) MarcoZ: I made the switch from IE quite a long time ago, and there's only one site that I can't use with Firefox. And that's not because of a11y reasons, but because the music store I use here in Germany only works with IE, so every sighted person will also have this problem. :-) (8:43:28 AM) MarcoZ: I mostly worked on MediaWiki so far, and the Wiki syntax was easy to grasp for me. (8:43:59 AM) MarcoZ: It is appreciated to have these helper buttons/links available to insert the Wiki tags, so one doesn't have to memorize them all, but editing stuff, and having a feeling I know what I'm doing, is good with Wiki syntax. (8:46:29 AM) marclaporte: MarcoZ: are you able to use the quicktags? or you type the syntax? (8:51:33 AM) marclaporte: MarcoZ: I am going to log a feature enhancement request on dev.tikiwiki.org wishlist. May I copy/paste our current discussion in the tracker? (8:51:33 AM) MarcoZ: The quicktags appear as links for JAWS, so i can simply select one and activate it to insert the quicktags. Works quite nocely actually. :-) (8:52:26 AM) MarcoZ: marclaporte, sure! (8:52:59 AM) marclaporte: MarcoZ: so you insert and after you find the text with wiki syntax and you go and change it? (8:58:04 AM) MarcoZ: marclaporte, yes. For example, the heading level 1 notation is an exclamation mark followed by text, heading level 2 is two exclamation marks. I simply change the text after it. (8:59:49 AM) marclaporte: Excellent. (9:00:12 AM) marclaporte: ReCaptcha is very interesting!
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